News > Letters from T-Kid 170 and Seen
Here is an email that found it’s way to the Saster mailbox, and we share it with all:
Yo my man cut the shit with your bull shit. I`m going to tell you something..I didn’t pay that incident any mind till that day we were painting together with cope in that school yard. I listen very carefully to what you said that day and your own words led me to believe what I felt in my gut for the longest.
You came looking for me to get into the yard not the other way around.PAL!!! so rethink that set up shit and be forth coming and get honest with yourself.. I see your ego is bigger then you and you think I live in your world pal.. I will put something on u tube just for you pal. Dont forget its a small world and you and ass holes like you always get what they got coming to them. So make your fucking threats sell your books pal and then be the true lil self centerd piece of shit you are and suck my dick. You never did anything for me and you never got me to go to EUROPE and I want to thank you for the heads up you fucking RAT MOTHER fucker. You think you got shit on me…lol.. Duded all I can say is that you know and I know I never ratted on any one.. Can you say the same. If your so famous and untouchable and not a rat why did you make such a big deal..Hmmmm makes me wonder. Another thing apparently that high school you and your Boy Joe River ( Vandal Squad retired) went to.. does not teach reading comprehension..I wrote in my book that I believe in my gut that you set me up that day. but from your behavior I now know you did set me up. . So Pal listen to me and listen to me good. I let go of the ego a long time ago and I dont care what doors you open close or what ever.. do your worst pal . I come from nothing and know how to live with nothing and crumbs is what I`m use to. Just like every real artist. In the end my friend I will be part of history and my fame will live forever and you my friend will always be famous but a Rat!!! You went around bad mouthing me and tried to get others to deal with me..lol and that did not work. Now you send me a e-mail with numbers and figures and treats.Lol. I see that it sucks being a rat.. I know your conflict is not with me but with yourself.. It ok Rich I forgive you bro. But eventually you will have to deal with the all mighty and the truth will come out then..You fucked over a lot of people in your life time and you will continue to do so. Oh and all the fucked up shit you did and the way you puusied up at the tattoo shop will be in my new book.. Yea I got one too..lol including this letter..
TKID
PS. I will forward a copy of this letter to everyone Magazines galleries.That way they can see what a piece of shit you really are I hope they print it and let the battle begin.. Pal I didn`t start this.. YOU DID !!! By being a fucking Rat!!
In a message dated 9/25/2009 6:35:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, seen writes:
T-kid,
This will be the only time i will write you and say this, hopefully you
will take this serious if you intend to stay in the graffiti game.
You crossed the line and made accusations in your book about me being a
rat, we both know this is not true. Why you felt the need to say this is
beyond me, unless you are jelous of my stature in the graffiti world or
was it damage control and you felt you needed to dump it on someone else
before you were exposed of being the real rat. Well, we both know it was a
set up that night, and we both know the truth about who the rat is.
What i am getting at is you had a book made with only 4 or 5,OOO copies
made at the most,,,,and i am sure way less than half have been sold at
this time. My book will be going into print within the next 6 months and
will be released sept,2010 the first printing of my book will be 50,000
copies, and at this time over 25,000 copies are already pre sold.
Unless i receive a public aplogie from you on U-tube i will print this
story in detail of that night in the 4 yard and accuss you of being the
rat that night along with other further dirt i found about you in the
past.
I beleive this is what is called an eye for an eye.
remember one thing i dident start this you did, and im willing to go the
whole mile. In the past i only helped you get through the doors to eroupe,
but, i see you forgot about that,,,,just remember im in europe now and i
have much pull in the countries i wish to work in, i could have the most
important doors closed in your face here leaving you only crumbs in a shit
hole show if i need to, and i will if i have too. For sure youll never
have anything of importance happening for you in paris. thats a givin,
thats for the agravation you’ve giving me in the past. although there is
the rest of the world.
I will not reply to this letter, but if i dont hear back and get my
apologie i will print the story in my book that we all know will never
go out of print. because i am the most famous grattiti writer in the
world.
SEEN
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September 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
BOTH OF U PUNKS ARE JUST LOOKING FOR THE MONEY AND DA FAME…
SO GET THE FUCK OFF DA GAME…
HIT DA STREETS AND STOP BEING IGNORANT,,..
AND BY THE WAY, SEEN, U R SO ARROGANT THAT U MADE ME PUKE…
PEACE TO DA REST OF REAL GRAFF ARTISTS OUT THERE!!!
FROM URUGUAY!
September 28th, 2009 at 3:33 am
total fake.
September 28th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
im not gonna say shit on anyone,but seen you had a huge ego for breakfest, you know it in your head, the worst damage you can do to someone is yourself in your own head..
September 29th, 2009 at 3:28 am
seen sounds like a goon
September 29th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Lets see, SEEN sends a letter to TKID.I see it pissed TKID off.. WOW talk about Drama. My 2cents from what I have read. What the hell is Wrong with you SEEN. Not for nothing, You are acting like a guilty Man SEEN. TKID Leave Seen alone.. I heard how you was going to kick SEEN’s ass at tuff city and he ran out the door. What do you have to prove? Seen are you like 50 yrs old why do you want to lower yourself to a street level, You are famous and all but thats only cause Martha cooper and Henry, I can`t spell his last name. Made you famous with that documentry but I see you do have a big Ego and forgot were you came from. I am sorry to read what you wrote, Trying to black mail TKID cause he said he believed you set him up. By the way I think TKID’s Book is one of the best Graffiti Books out there, They should print more. I hope your book is as heart felt as his.I think TKID is crazy for what he wrote but at least he gave me an insight to a real ghetto artist. I`m sure your book will be great.
SEEN you are one of the best and you got up alot. I enjoyed your cars back then and your fame is obvious but dont forget you and TKID are diffrent. You did a lot nice simple styles as to were TKID gave style to the world. It`s a shame he doesnt get the props guys like you and JON ONE get. I read in an interview TKID did, That the reason he`s not as popular with the galleries is that he didnt sell ut back in the 80`s. Got to respect that.
Go on with your war and let the world now what ass holes you guys can be and give a black eye to graffiti. TKID I dont mean to piss you off but come on dude let it go. That was years ago.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Have SHAME. You are both legends, in doing this you have hurt the whole of graffiti worldwide but no one more than yourselves.
That being said, from the evidence and past history I feel T-Kid is the aggressor. Great style but zero manners.
Children look up to you as adults and role models. This should NEVER have been made public and shame to any institution who further propagates this, the only reason you could possibly want to do so is to profit from cheap drama for your own ends.
October 1st, 2009 at 12:37 am
As to whether or not this is a fake…
I personally received a forwarded copy of this in my inbox. It seems that TKID wanted it sent everywhere. All the proper links were there, original letter sent from SEENS email at seenworld. Its all genuine.
BUT – who the fuck cares? It was what? …25 years ago?
I was just reading an old interview from 2006 on this site with PerFX where he “aired” some of TKID’s business in the interview…people seemed upset about that but here we are, with TKID doing it now.
And about SEEN, maybe he is a snitch. No one but him really knows the truth or ever will besides the vandal squad. Why keep harping on about it? Either kick the shit out of him or forget about it. Why does everyone seem to whine and moan about him being a snitch? I’ve seen it written a 100 times. Around here, we just beat the shit out of snitches.
Either way…both of these writers have put in work and have style. Let it go. You all are too old for this bullshit anyway. Its like some kindergarten shit. TKid you’re a tattle tale and so is Seen. You both get detention.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:21 am
seems that even oldschool graffiti writers have beef on the internet these days..
i believe the letters were modified by the one who made them public..
October 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am
Jason my friend your writing will always give you away. heres the facts
1) I didn’t accuse Seen of anything. I wrote what I felt. Made it clear it was just a feeling and put it in my book.
2)The only person that called seen a rat was PJ his own partner in crime for so many years. And he did it on 12 ounce prophet. I just chimed in.
3) I don’t have any beef with seen other then his little threat`s in that letter he wrote to me. I saw him in person and he ran from me like a roach when you turn on the lights! That’s a fact.He should of made those threats then in person and not over the internet via e-mail only fagots reply via e-mails and anonymity.
4) Accusations of seen biting. It’s common knowledge to all real old school writers that seen stole not emulated but out right stole Billy167 style. Another fact
5)The only problem here is Seens ego. Read that letter he wrote to me and tell me its not hurting.
In my life I have realized that if you dont deal with things in the open they will get twisted ok! like your trying to do now by saying I`m doing what per did. Sorry pal, but you forget that seen wrote this letter to me and i replyed and yes put it on the web for all to see that seen wants to black mail me. So I took on his challenge! As for bad for graffiti. Let me tell you something. People are eating this shit up the only people getting a black eye are the ones who try to say who is a king of graffiti and who is not those that are trying to push artwork for their own gain and all those who believed that star wars and subway art was the tell all gosple of graffiti.A lot of phonies got famous in the art world cause of those books and documentry`s and you all know that to be true. Jayson you yourself agree with me and a lot of real ones on that subject. As for tatal telling if Richie Seen would decide to come to me face to face with his shit it would not be on the net!ok go to whatyouwrite.com and every other website and see that this shit is all over. Honestly I think this is what seen wanted to promote his new book in which I feel the only thing new he can add to his legacy is the chapter on me wich will be a bunch of lies and hear says from his buddies and cronies..we all seen everything he`s done already cause he post everything he does on the net.And lets not forget the letter he wrote to zebster and made sure that made it to the websites I didnt send that one to anyone nor did Zebster but yet there it is on the internet. It appears that Seen is pulling a fast one and drumming up a buzz for his book and trying to take away from the fact that part 2 book is coming out and he cant deal with that.And we all know what a huge EGO my man has over there!
Take care and Seen You see I`m here in full view not hiding behind fake names or using others to write and fight for me. Be a man and answer this shit yourself. I challenge you to battle on a train somewhere in the world and put to rest all this bull shit. You can put that in your book. I`m sure sponsor will pop up to put that together! Terrible TKID 170 TVS!!!WILD STyLE TNB! TMT, TDS, KD, FC, FBA, TBA, MAD, MAC CRU, KYM!!
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 am
Tkid your the best in the world. Burn that snitcher. he cant touch you with style we want another TKID book. We love Cope to but he has to stay away from Mc Donalds Doller meals.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
T-KID is a STAND-UP GUY. Always will be. And doors will always be
open for him.
Peace to the Legend!
October 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
you’re all a bunch of losers. tkid is talented, seen is talented. grown men should be off doing grown men things. and two of the ogs who should be bitter, come off like sour grapes lost behind bathhouse soap scum.
one last note: yo fellows are wonderful artists but ya can’t write a lick. if you’re not going to learn how to spell have one of your groupies teach you how to use spellcheck.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Yo i feel both these cats styles are sick and are profesionals and although i may not agree with SEEN’s values and polocies from what i here but i gotta agree with T-KID from what i here. I mean T-KID’s book already came out and he doesnt have another one coming out for a while so he’ has no alteriar motive for sending letters out and exploiting his beef with SEEN to get media, and public attention or fame for that matter, i mean the guy is known all over the world and is one of the few artist that has stayed concistent and is also one of the few original artist from the subway era, but seen also without a doubt talented, profesional, and rings bells all around the world does have a book coming out(his first one at that) and weather a fan of SEEN or not the publicity from exploiting the beef can only result in more copies beeing purchased weather it be from street writers, professional, people that known one or the other, people that watched this beef unfold or from sites and authors.
As far as the accuzations on seen being a snitch i mean i dont know the guy personally but i ive read up on the whole subject for a while know and on SEEN himself and i cant denie the guy has a Huge ego on his hands wich i personally admire(as long as you can back it up)but alot of people that talk alot and have ego’s like SEEN does(especially in the graff game,legal, illegal, or profesionally) have a tendency to open thear mouths especially when put under pressure. I try no to judge a book by its cover but i seriously doubt that T-KID would make up rumors if it wasnt true.
Although if SEEN did snitch i say that the best thing for T-KID to do is if SEEN really thinks he is more talented then T-KID(wich i strongly disagree)or fuck him up then he should challenge him to battle and shoot the fair, if SEEN doesnt wanna then T-KID should deliver the final blow in the beef and make that public with writers and proof to back it, and if SEEN does accept the challenge then T-KID should just destroy him with style then beat the shit out of him.
Sorry SEEN, sounds like you already lost this one homie.
-DEMO128
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
2 great writers, but these niggas need to get hooked on Phonics yo….for reals….
May 6th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
i think these folks are both dope and i admire them very much